1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,310 [Music] 2 00:00:17,029 --> 00:00:14,470 it was basically a cube with inside of 3 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:17,039 sphere where the points of the cube 4 00:00:35,190 --> 00:00:31,260 [Music] 5 00:00:36,790 --> 00:00:35,200 [Applause] 6 00:00:39,030 --> 00:00:36,800 so this isn't anything that just is 7 00:00:46,470 --> 00:00:39,040 limited to the united states it's a 8 00:00:51,189 --> 00:00:48,950 hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo 9 00:00:54,389 --> 00:00:51,199 podcast my name is andy and this is tom 10 00:00:56,229 --> 00:00:54,399 delong profile series part two dan is 11 00:00:57,350 --> 00:00:56,239 joining me again for this obviously dan 12 00:00:59,349 --> 00:00:57,360 how are we 13 00:01:01,910 --> 00:00:59,359 hi it's been so long since i last saw 14 00:01:03,510 --> 00:01:01,920 you it has and you're still 15 00:01:05,270 --> 00:01:03,520 oh you might not be in colombia when 16 00:01:07,190 --> 00:01:05,280 this gets released actually already 17 00:01:08,469 --> 00:01:07,200 might not be on the way back if people 18 00:01:10,070 --> 00:01:08,479 are on the patreon and stuff they'll 19 00:01:12,310 --> 00:01:10,080 probably be hearing this before you 20 00:01:13,990 --> 00:01:12,320 you're back but either way you're you're 21 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:14,000 listening to it thank you that is very 22 00:01:19,109 --> 00:01:16,320 much appreciated um we have just 23 00:01:22,149 --> 00:01:19,119 recorded part 1.5 and are going straight 24 00:01:24,390 --> 00:01:22,159 into part two of this series hopefully 25 00:01:26,390 --> 00:01:24,400 by this point you've realized it's not 26 00:01:28,149 --> 00:01:26,400 an interview with tom delong 27 00:01:30,390 --> 00:01:28,159 that is something that we are still 28 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:30,400 trying to get and have zero success and 29 00:01:34,469 --> 00:01:32,880 um i say zero like one percent success 30 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:34,479 and that one of his companies got back 31 00:01:37,910 --> 00:01:36,240 to us and never followed up which is 32 00:01:39,350 --> 00:01:37,920 great the angels in our waves toe was 33 00:01:41,590 --> 00:01:39,360 going to go ahead until andy got in 34 00:01:43,429 --> 00:01:41,600 touch and then they cancelled it so 35 00:01:45,109 --> 00:01:43,439 sorry about that that was me that killed 36 00:01:47,510 --> 00:01:45,119 that whole tour um but we would love to 37 00:01:49,270 --> 00:01:47,520 speak to tom delong however uh we've got 38 00:01:51,990 --> 00:01:49,280 the next best thing which is dan and i 39 00:01:54,550 --> 00:01:52,000 talking about tom delong behind us back 40 00:01:56,469 --> 00:01:54,560 um and the nicest way because i think um 41 00:01:58,230 --> 00:01:56,479 i think i'll i saw one comment down 42 00:02:00,149 --> 00:01:58,240 after part one who 43 00:02:02,709 --> 00:02:00,159 said that we weren't complimentary 44 00:02:04,389 --> 00:02:02,719 towards tom and i really didn't get that 45 00:02:05,350 --> 00:02:04,399 from i think it was one of the youtube 46 00:02:07,670 --> 00:02:05,360 comments 47 00:02:09,190 --> 00:02:07,680 um interesting and i didn't get that 48 00:02:10,389 --> 00:02:09,200 from what we said and what we talked 49 00:02:13,190 --> 00:02:10,399 about i think we presented a lot of 50 00:02:14,390 --> 00:02:13,200 facts and we gave some opinion but i 51 00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:14,400 mean 52 00:02:18,470 --> 00:02:16,720 we said what tom has done and achieved 53 00:02:20,309 --> 00:02:18,480 is pretty amazing let's be honest it's 54 00:02:22,229 --> 00:02:20,319 amazing enough that we're doing a whole 55 00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:22,239 series on him and he's the first person 56 00:02:26,550 --> 00:02:24,000 we're doing it on and it's going to take 57 00:02:28,790 --> 00:02:26,560 several parts because of 58 00:02:30,470 --> 00:02:28,800 all of the the people he's had to get 59 00:02:32,630 --> 00:02:30,480 together and over the time he's done it 60 00:02:34,630 --> 00:02:32,640 is pretty incredible so yeah if you took 61 00:02:37,030 --> 00:02:34,640 that fair enough maybe the comment is a 62 00:02:39,110 --> 00:02:37,040 reflection of it being a discussion of 63 00:02:41,110 --> 00:02:39,120 the rockier time for tom 64 00:02:42,309 --> 00:02:41,120 yeah maybe you're a reflection 65 00:02:44,630 --> 00:02:42,319 yes 66 00:02:46,150 --> 00:02:44,640 anyway so let's kick off with part two 67 00:02:48,949 --> 00:02:46,160 then folks and you know what it would be 68 00:02:50,869 --> 00:02:48,959 remiss to talk about the to the stars 69 00:02:53,589 --> 00:02:50,879 academy of arts and science and the team 70 00:02:55,830 --> 00:02:53,599 that was assembled avengers assemble in 71 00:02:57,830 --> 00:02:55,840 october 2017 72 00:02:59,990 --> 00:02:57,840 um because essentially then 73 00:03:02,710 --> 00:03:00,000 they were they were the b team not the a 74 00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:02,720 team they were the b team so let's take 75 00:03:08,070 --> 00:03:05,920 you back to the 2016 and the wikileaks 76 00:03:09,910 --> 00:03:08,080 event so 77 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:09,920 john podesta who was hillary clinton's 78 00:03:14,390 --> 00:03:12,480 campaign manager um there was a series 79 00:03:17,270 --> 00:03:14,400 of emails leaked where 80 00:03:18,949 --> 00:03:17,280 podesta clinton tom delong 81 00:03:20,710 --> 00:03:18,959 were all and various other people as 82 00:03:22,710 --> 00:03:20,720 well were copied in on a series of 83 00:03:25,110 --> 00:03:22,720 emails where they were discussing how 84 00:03:27,350 --> 00:03:25,120 they could go about 85 00:03:30,550 --> 00:03:27,360 having an organization 86 00:03:31,990 --> 00:03:30,560 ufos were mentioned and 87 00:03:34,309 --> 00:03:32,000 yeah it was pretty incredible stuff 88 00:03:35,990 --> 00:03:34,319 wasn't it then but it no it knocked on 89 00:03:37,910 --> 00:03:36,000 the head the original plans for what to 90 00:03:40,789 --> 00:03:37,920 the stars academy of arts and science 91 00:03:42,149 --> 00:03:40,799 could have been yeah yeah absolutely um 92 00:03:43,910 --> 00:03:42,159 you know tom tom's initial team i 93 00:03:45,910 --> 00:03:43,920 mentioned in part one i'll mention the 94 00:03:48,229 --> 00:03:45,920 names again and again i have to red 95 00:03:51,589 --> 00:03:48,239 panda koala for digging these out robert 96 00:03:53,509 --> 00:03:51,599 f weiss was uh the executive price 97 00:03:55,030 --> 00:03:53,519 vice president and general manager of 98 00:03:57,270 --> 00:03:55,040 aeronautics advanced development 99 00:03:58,949 --> 00:03:57,280 programs for lockheed martin skunk works 100 00:04:01,509 --> 00:03:58,959 so that's very likely the person that 101 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:01,519 tom met at the lockheed skunk works 102 00:04:06,869 --> 00:04:03,920 party sure then we have a 103 00:04:08,470 --> 00:04:06,879 major general michael j carey he was the 104 00:04:10,550 --> 00:04:08,480 special assistant so the commander of 105 00:04:12,390 --> 00:04:10,560 the air force command at paterson air 106 00:04:15,190 --> 00:04:12,400 force base colorado 107 00:04:17,909 --> 00:04:15,200 this one is an infamous base in ufo law 108 00:04:19,590 --> 00:04:17,919 uh so you can see how someone that is 109 00:04:22,390 --> 00:04:19,600 you know heading up norad space command 110 00:04:24,150 --> 00:04:22,400 us northern command uh would have access 111 00:04:25,749 --> 00:04:24,160 to the satellites and the systems that 112 00:04:28,469 --> 00:04:25,759 chris mallon talked about this week in 113 00:04:30,390 --> 00:04:28,479 his article uh then we have major 114 00:04:31,830 --> 00:04:30,400 general neil mccaslin 115 00:04:34,070 --> 00:04:31,840 who's the former head of the foreign 116 00:04:36,230 --> 00:04:34,080 technology back engineering laboratory 117 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:36,240 at wright-patterson air force base 118 00:04:40,390 --> 00:04:38,320 that's where the roswell debris was 119 00:04:42,070 --> 00:04:40,400 thought to have been taken 120 00:04:43,830 --> 00:04:42,080 and blue book was based out of there as 121 00:04:45,189 --> 00:04:43,840 well uh if you can hear a slight 122 00:04:46,950 --> 00:04:45,199 question in the background it's my it's 123 00:04:49,189 --> 00:04:46,960 my dog scratch your nail she's not too 124 00:04:51,270 --> 00:04:49,199 far away from me um 125 00:04:54,310 --> 00:04:51,280 so yeah ignore that but that was the 126 00:04:56,310 --> 00:04:54,320 initial team uh mccaslin was the guy who 127 00:04:58,390 --> 00:04:56,320 met tom he's referred to as the general 128 00:05:00,950 --> 00:04:58,400 and he met tom in the diner to say 129 00:05:03,029 --> 00:05:00,960 during the cold war we found the body um 130 00:05:04,070 --> 00:05:03,039 and that's where that whole story comes 131 00:05:05,909 --> 00:05:04,080 from 132 00:05:07,510 --> 00:05:05,919 and just again dan i can't remember if 133 00:05:08,550 --> 00:05:07,520 we touched on this 134 00:05:12,629 --> 00:05:08,560 why 135 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:12,639 in the first place 136 00:05:16,070 --> 00:05:14,160 it i mean it's a very good question 137 00:05:17,590 --> 00:05:16,080 essentially tom worked his way up the 138 00:05:19,590 --> 00:05:17,600 chain of command speaking to certain 139 00:05:21,670 --> 00:05:19,600 people and pitching them on ideas and 140 00:05:23,270 --> 00:05:21,680 banged on the doors yeah and mccaslin 141 00:05:26,469 --> 00:05:23,280 was brought to him as a guy that could 142 00:05:27,749 --> 00:05:26,479 help um he facilitated uh putting tom in 143 00:05:29,430 --> 00:05:27,759 touch with you know 144 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:29,440 advisers that working on space 145 00:05:33,830 --> 00:05:32,400 intelligence biological warfare um and 146 00:05:36,629 --> 00:05:33,840 someone representing the president of 147 00:05:39,430 --> 00:05:36,639 the united states so tom said 148 00:05:41,270 --> 00:05:39,440 now obviously we can't prove that um he 149 00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:41,280 did speak to podesta who represented a 150 00:05:45,110 --> 00:05:43,120 potential president in the united states 151 00:05:47,909 --> 00:05:45,120 we know that uh but we don't really know 152 00:05:51,670 --> 00:05:47,919 who who that specific person is 153 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:51,680 now on the part 1.5 ganosis 154 00:05:56,550 --> 00:05:54,080 longtime supporter big contributor over 155 00:05:57,990 --> 00:05:56,560 on the discord server as well asked a 156 00:06:00,390 --> 00:05:58,000 couple of really good questions off the 157 00:06:02,150 --> 00:06:00,400 back of of this and one of them though 158 00:06:05,670 --> 00:06:02,160 we'll just touch on was where would we 159 00:06:08,390 --> 00:06:05,680 be now if clinton had won the presidency 160 00:06:10,950 --> 00:06:08,400 in 2016. would we know the name louie 161 00:06:14,950 --> 00:06:10,960 lozando and we'll go back over that just 162 00:06:16,870 --> 00:06:14,960 very briefly as we said at that time 163 00:06:20,230 --> 00:06:16,880 as we know lou worked in the program 164 00:06:22,150 --> 00:06:20,240 with atep from 2012 to 2017 165 00:06:23,830 --> 00:06:22,160 so there would have been a crossover of 166 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:23,840 about a year where lou would have been 167 00:06:27,430 --> 00:06:26,479 in his role um actually probably almost 168 00:06:29,830 --> 00:06:27,440 two years because it would have been 169 00:06:31,670 --> 00:06:29,840 early 2016 clinton would have taken over 170 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:31,680 and then gone through to to low 171 00:06:39,990 --> 00:06:38,469 would lou have still been involved and 172 00:06:41,990 --> 00:06:40,000 we we said he probably would have been 173 00:06:44,629 --> 00:06:42,000 in some point wouldn't they if he wasn't 174 00:06:47,110 --> 00:06:44,639 the public face of 175 00:06:49,029 --> 00:06:47,120 yeah absolutely or all roads are all 176 00:06:50,790 --> 00:06:49,039 official inquiries then would have led 177 00:06:52,629 --> 00:06:50,800 to lou um 178 00:06:53,670 --> 00:06:52,639 and probably 179 00:06:55,510 --> 00:06:53,680 we wouldn't have had the mixed 180 00:06:57,830 --> 00:06:55,520 statements come out uh that he did work 181 00:07:00,629 --> 00:06:57,840 for it he didn't do eight tip it did 182 00:07:02,629 --> 00:07:00,639 look at uap it didn't look at uap um 183 00:07:05,189 --> 00:07:02,639 just to set the expectation in the tone 184 00:07:06,790 --> 00:07:05,199 on the 12th of february 2015 uh podesta 185 00:07:08,469 --> 00:07:06,800 tweeted when he was uh you know his 186 00:07:10,390 --> 00:07:08,479 administration was leaving office he 187 00:07:12,070 --> 00:07:10,400 said finally my biggest failure of 2014 188 00:07:13,990 --> 00:07:12,080 once again not securing the disclosure 189 00:07:15,430 --> 00:07:14,000 of the ufo files hashtag the truth is 190 00:07:18,870 --> 00:07:15,440 still out there and then he tagged the 191 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:18,880 ny times um so it's interesting to see 192 00:07:22,870 --> 00:07:20,880 that even though it wasn't you know 193 00:07:25,990 --> 00:07:22,880 necessarily the writers that he pointed 194 00:07:29,589 --> 00:07:26,000 to it was eventually picked up um and 195 00:07:31,029 --> 00:07:29,599 run with for that famous 2017 article 196 00:07:33,749 --> 00:07:31,039 and we're going to get to that famous 197 00:07:35,830 --> 00:07:33,759 2017 article in just a few minutes but 198 00:07:38,309 --> 00:07:35,840 as we said team a never happened and 199 00:07:40,070 --> 00:07:38,319 what we got was an incredible team b um 200 00:07:41,909 --> 00:07:40,080 it should be team a team one because 201 00:07:44,390 --> 00:07:41,919 team b makes it sound lesser van and 202 00:07:46,790 --> 00:07:44,400 it's certainly not and key members of 203 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:46,800 the to the stars academy of arts and 204 00:07:50,430 --> 00:07:48,240 science were unveiled at press 205 00:07:54,309 --> 00:07:50,440 conference on october 11th 206 00:07:56,469 --> 00:07:54,319 2017. um the company was founded in 2017 207 00:07:58,629 --> 00:07:56,479 as a public benefit corporation by jim 208 00:08:00,710 --> 00:07:58,639 simavan a former senior intelligence 209 00:08:02,469 --> 00:08:00,720 officer with the cia and who has just 210 00:08:04,469 --> 00:08:02,479 done a fantastic interview on coast to 211 00:08:05,830 --> 00:08:04,479 coast dan and i spoke about that on the 212 00:08:09,189 --> 00:08:05,840 breakdown go and check that one out 213 00:08:11,589 --> 00:08:09,199 folks harold e put off or hal put off as 214 00:08:13,909 --> 00:08:11,599 many of you will know him and tom de 215 00:08:16,550 --> 00:08:13,919 long present at the launch i'll kick off 216 00:08:19,270 --> 00:08:16,560 dan let's do alternate names here was 217 00:08:21,749 --> 00:08:19,280 one luis elizondo counter intelligence 218 00:08:24,550 --> 00:08:21,759 and he ran pentagon's eight program 219 00:08:26,309 --> 00:08:24,560 studying uap as we know from 2012 to 220 00:08:28,629 --> 00:08:26,319 2017. 221 00:08:30,309 --> 00:08:28,639 then we had chris mellon uh chris was 222 00:08:32,709 --> 00:08:30,319 the deputy assistant secretary of 223 00:08:34,709 --> 00:08:32,719 defense for intelligence from 1998 to 224 00:08:36,790 --> 00:08:34,719 2002. he worked for the clinton 225 00:08:39,350 --> 00:08:36,800 administration the bush administration 226 00:08:41,430 --> 00:08:39,360 and he worked there during 9 11. he was 227 00:08:43,909 --> 00:08:41,440 a minority staff director for the 228 00:08:45,910 --> 00:08:43,919 senator john d rockefeller of the senate 229 00:08:47,509 --> 00:08:45,920 select committee on intelligence now you 230 00:08:49,750 --> 00:08:47,519 might recommend oh sorry you might 231 00:08:52,070 --> 00:08:49,760 recognize that committee because that 232 00:08:54,790 --> 00:08:52,080 was where essentially the uap bills of 233 00:08:58,150 --> 00:08:54,800 the past few years originated 234 00:09:00,710 --> 00:08:58,160 next up was steve justice uh 31-year 235 00:09:02,070 --> 00:09:00,720 program director for lockheed martin 236 00:09:04,150 --> 00:09:02,080 skunk works 237 00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:04,160 dan you had mentioned 238 00:09:08,310 --> 00:09:06,160 one of the previous gentlemen was again 239 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:08,320 from lockheed martin skunk works yep you 240 00:09:12,790 --> 00:09:10,560 wonder is this a direct replacement for 241 00:09:14,949 --> 00:09:12,800 we can't have this guy so we can have 242 00:09:17,350 --> 00:09:14,959 this guy as part of the team be would 243 00:09:20,150 --> 00:09:17,360 that be fair yeah i think so um it's 244 00:09:22,230 --> 00:09:20,160 very possible and and i guess say likely 245 00:09:24,389 --> 00:09:22,240 that tom started talking to steve 246 00:09:26,470 --> 00:09:24,399 because of those conversations uh at 247 00:09:28,550 --> 00:09:26,480 lockheed 248 00:09:30,470 --> 00:09:28,560 yeah next up oh yeah it's my goal isn't 249 00:09:34,949 --> 00:09:30,480 it yeah it's your goal 250 00:09:36,870 --> 00:09:34,959 so next up we have uh dr harold pudov 251 00:09:40,150 --> 00:09:36,880 he goes way back in this subject it's 252 00:09:41,990 --> 00:09:40,160 not just uap but uh he he led the cio 253 00:09:43,350 --> 00:09:42,000 remote viewing project stargate for 20 254 00:09:45,670 --> 00:09:43,360 years so when we're talking about people 255 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:45,680 like yuri gala or um ingo swan and 256 00:09:50,310 --> 00:09:47,680 people like that and the more 257 00:09:52,389 --> 00:09:50,320 stranger sides of this subject uh putoff 258 00:09:54,230 --> 00:09:52,399 has been you know knee-deep in this and 259 00:09:55,110 --> 00:09:54,240 the weirder side of it for a long long 260 00:09:57,350 --> 00:09:55,120 time 261 00:09:59,350 --> 00:09:57,360 yeah and finally uh but not least jim 262 00:10:01,829 --> 00:09:59,360 semivan retired senior intelligence 263 00:10:03,269 --> 00:10:01,839 officer for the cia and as we have heard 264 00:10:05,670 --> 00:10:03,279 them talk about recently on coast to 265 00:10:07,350 --> 00:10:05,680 coast he's had entities entities appear 266 00:10:09,190 --> 00:10:07,360 in front of him and his wife he's part 267 00:10:12,150 --> 00:10:09,200 of a group where he's being studied 268 00:10:12,790 --> 00:10:12,160 still as an experiencer and again he is 269 00:10:20,389 --> 00:10:12,800 a 270 00:10:22,470 --> 00:10:20,399 finish this tom delong profile series 271 00:10:24,870 --> 00:10:22,480 what we'll do is launch a poll on 272 00:10:26,870 --> 00:10:24,880 twitter or patreon or both and we're 273 00:10:28,630 --> 00:10:26,880 going to ask you off off of the back of 274 00:10:31,430 --> 00:10:28,640 a couple of names which would you like 275 00:10:32,949 --> 00:10:31,440 to see in the future profiles section i 276 00:10:34,790 --> 00:10:32,959 imagine 277 00:10:36,790 --> 00:10:34,800 he'll put off jim semivan will be really 278 00:10:38,470 --> 00:10:36,800 popular characters for for that as well 279 00:10:40,949 --> 00:10:38,480 so it'll be interesting to see who comes 280 00:10:42,310 --> 00:10:40,959 out on top for no one recognizes corey 281 00:10:44,069 --> 00:10:42,320 good please 282 00:10:45,829 --> 00:10:44,079 we won't do that 283 00:10:48,630 --> 00:10:45,839 we'll be giving you the selections uh 284 00:10:50,710 --> 00:10:48,640 but yeah i i imagine it'll be a a few of 285 00:10:53,190 --> 00:10:50,720 uh a gem semi van harold put off steve 286 00:10:55,269 --> 00:10:53,200 justice and chris merlin for for that 287 00:10:57,269 --> 00:10:55,279 but we'll see um but i'm looking forward 288 00:10:59,269 --> 00:10:57,279 to that but yeah dan listen um that 289 00:11:01,590 --> 00:10:59,279 that's a hell of a team that's been set 290 00:11:03,030 --> 00:11:01,600 up there off the back of those initial 291 00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:03,040 team a team won 292 00:11:08,069 --> 00:11:06,240 um and 2016 dropping out because of the 293 00:11:09,269 --> 00:11:08,079 wikileaks and obviously the fallout that 294 00:11:10,790 --> 00:11:09,279 came from that 295 00:11:14,389 --> 00:11:10,800 it seems there's been a lot of direct 296 00:11:16,310 --> 00:11:14,399 replacements here as well and 297 00:11:17,350 --> 00:11:16,320 obviously we know president trump got 298 00:11:18,550 --> 00:11:17,360 voted in 299 00:11:20,550 --> 00:11:18,560 um 300 00:11:23,269 --> 00:11:20,560 louise elizondo 301 00:11:25,509 --> 00:11:23,279 by the time october 2017 came was 302 00:11:27,030 --> 00:11:25,519 frustrated at the lack of transparency 303 00:11:28,470 --> 00:11:27,040 that was forthcoming in his role and 304 00:11:31,350 --> 00:11:28,480 what he was finding out and what he was 305 00:11:32,630 --> 00:11:31,360 investigating he tended his resignation 306 00:11:35,190 --> 00:11:32,640 and that's not something he'd done 307 00:11:37,269 --> 00:11:35,200 lightly um he he loved his job and he 308 00:11:39,670 --> 00:11:37,279 loved his role and he's a huge patriot 309 00:11:41,269 --> 00:11:39,680 everyone knows that um and that's not me 310 00:11:43,110 --> 00:11:41,279 fanboying out that's just something lou 311 00:11:45,110 --> 00:11:43,120 has said himself on interviews with us 312 00:11:47,670 --> 00:11:45,120 but everyone else so it was a job he 313 00:11:49,910 --> 00:11:47,680 really did enjoy and he left 314 00:11:51,910 --> 00:11:49,920 you can believe this or not many people 315 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:51,920 you know do many people don't but he 316 00:11:55,269 --> 00:11:54,160 left for what he feels is the the good 317 00:11:58,629 --> 00:11:55,279 of the country and the people should 318 00:12:00,310 --> 00:11:58,639 know the the truth behind uaps ufos um 319 00:12:03,110 --> 00:12:00,320 so yeah that's that's what we got lu 320 00:12:04,710 --> 00:12:03,120 elizondo off the back of 321 00:12:07,030 --> 00:12:04,720 is there anyone in that lineup that 322 00:12:09,190 --> 00:12:07,040 stands out though dan for you as uh 323 00:12:10,550 --> 00:12:09,200 that's uh as much as they're all really 324 00:12:12,949 --> 00:12:10,560 serious names 325 00:12:15,110 --> 00:12:12,959 particularly good get 326 00:12:16,710 --> 00:12:15,120 tom delong no i'm kidding like he's the 327 00:12:18,310 --> 00:12:16,720 least credentialed of that and tom is a 328 00:12:20,470 --> 00:12:18,320 very successful person so it just speaks 329 00:12:22,629 --> 00:12:20,480 to the people around him um these are 330 00:12:23,750 --> 00:12:22,639 all career professionals um you know 331 00:12:25,269 --> 00:12:23,760 there's no 332 00:12:26,470 --> 00:12:25,279 messing around here i know there was a 333 00:12:28,550 --> 00:12:26,480 thing that came off of that press 334 00:12:31,430 --> 00:12:28,560 conference about having a specific 335 00:12:33,750 --> 00:12:31,440 picture in the in this slideshow um and 336 00:12:35,030 --> 00:12:33,760 apparently that was a you know an intern 337 00:12:36,710 --> 00:12:35,040 thing just pulled off the internet and 338 00:12:38,310 --> 00:12:36,720 popped up there but 339 00:12:40,230 --> 00:12:38,320 the the words that everyone brought to 340 00:12:41,990 --> 00:12:40,240 it and the melting pot that was created 341 00:12:43,670 --> 00:12:42,000 for ideas and fur 342 00:12:46,150 --> 00:12:43,680 we we always talk about information 343 00:12:48,550 --> 00:12:46,160 being siloed and each of these people 344 00:12:50,470 --> 00:12:48,560 essentially represent one of those silos 345 00:12:52,389 --> 00:12:50,480 and here we have one organization where 346 00:12:54,470 --> 00:12:52,399 they're all in the one room talking 347 00:12:56,310 --> 00:12:54,480 about all the information they have for 348 00:12:58,550 --> 00:12:56,320 me that was the spark and and why i 349 00:13:00,069 --> 00:12:58,560 chose to invest and and hopefully help 350 00:13:01,350 --> 00:13:00,079 them achieve their goal of getting this 351 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:01,360 message out 352 00:13:09,670 --> 00:13:03,360 you use silos but we talked about 353 00:13:12,629 --> 00:13:10,949 he would bang on a door and it would 354 00:13:14,470 --> 00:13:12,639 lead to a stove pipe and that would go 355 00:13:15,430 --> 00:13:14,480 to a different area and it would be 356 00:13:16,710 --> 00:13:15,440 smaller 357 00:13:19,269 --> 00:13:16,720 compartment and that would lead to 358 00:13:20,870 --> 00:13:19,279 somewhere else and you feel that along 359 00:13:22,310 --> 00:13:20,880 the way this is where he's picked up 360 00:13:25,670 --> 00:13:22,320 these these these people these 361 00:13:30,550 --> 00:13:28,069 leaders in their fields with with huge 362 00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:30,560 experience to to join the group it's an 363 00:13:34,790 --> 00:13:32,639 incredible group it is the equivalent of 364 00:13:36,790 --> 00:13:34,800 a real madrid signing the galactica's 365 00:13:38,230 --> 00:13:36,800 team in the 2000s you know they have 366 00:13:40,310 --> 00:13:38,240 he's gone out and got the best of the 367 00:13:42,150 --> 00:13:40,320 best which given what he was trying to 368 00:13:44,150 --> 00:13:42,160 do it's 369 00:13:45,829 --> 00:13:44,160 it's almost like we can't we can never 370 00:13:48,310 --> 00:13:45,839 say it's hindsight but it turned out 371 00:13:50,949 --> 00:13:48,320 almost for the better and that he got 372 00:13:52,230 --> 00:13:50,959 the group he did with with plan b 373 00:13:54,870 --> 00:13:52,240 and we touched on where we might have 374 00:13:56,470 --> 00:13:54,880 been with teammate in part 1.5 now the 375 00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:56,480 early work that the group was doing in 376 00:14:01,670 --> 00:13:58,000 the background was leading to what came 377 00:14:04,790 --> 00:14:01,680 to fruition on december 16th 2017. dan 378 00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:04,800 what were you doing on december 16 2017 379 00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:07,120 uh i was 380 00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:08,800 i want to say i was preparing to get my 381 00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:10,880 brain turned to dribble and you know my 382 00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:12,880 will blown apart but i wasn't i think i 383 00:14:16,389 --> 00:14:14,320 would have been prepping at christmas 384 00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:16,399 walking walking down the street uh with 385 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:18,480 a eggnog latte in my hand 386 00:14:22,550 --> 00:14:21,120 yeah enjoying a pandemic free life not 387 00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:22,560 knowing what was to come 388 00:14:28,550 --> 00:14:25,760 um but yeah on december 16 2017 the 389 00:14:31,430 --> 00:14:28,560 article glowing auras and black money 390 00:14:33,829 --> 00:14:31,440 the pentagon's mysterious ufo program 391 00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:33,839 penned by helene cooper ralph blumenthal 392 00:14:36,949 --> 00:14:35,360 and leslie keane 393 00:14:38,870 --> 00:14:36,959 thank you for mentioning helene there 394 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:38,880 people people she's kind of forgetting 395 00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:40,720 forgotten right that was going to be my 396 00:14:45,430 --> 00:14:43,199 first thing that helene cooper 397 00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:45,440 i she doesn't seem to want to do the 398 00:14:49,030 --> 00:14:47,360 interviews doesn't want to be attached 399 00:14:51,590 --> 00:14:49,040 to this in the way that ralph and leslie 400 00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:51,600 have been happy to do and put ourselves 401 00:14:55,189 --> 00:14:53,760 out there which is amazing because 402 00:14:57,430 --> 00:14:55,199 you know as ralph and leslie have both 403 00:15:00,550 --> 00:14:57,440 said in various interviews she was a 404 00:15:02,230 --> 00:15:00,560 huge part of putting this together and 405 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:02,240 it's it's very much been she's done the 406 00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:04,079 work put it out there and 407 00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:06,160 left the work to speak for itself yeah 408 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:09,360 um if anything that makes me more 409 00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:10,880 inclined to want to speak to her just 410 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:12,959 because yeah you know when someone says 411 00:15:16,629 --> 00:15:14,880 nothing a single word they say has a lot 412 00:15:18,389 --> 00:15:16,639 of weight so i'd be very curious to hear 413 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:18,399 her journey through this and how she 414 00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:20,240 comes to understand the subject 415 00:15:24,949 --> 00:15:21,920 and where she is now with it 416 00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:24,959 absolutely and now we we almost take 417 00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:26,800 those those articles for granted and can 418 00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:28,880 forget the 419 00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:30,639 the weight that came with those the new 420 00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:33,040 york times the huge publication that 421 00:15:36,629 --> 00:15:34,800 like we talk about in the uk how 422 00:15:39,030 --> 00:15:36,639 anything to do with ufos comes out via 423 00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:39,040 the sun and the daily star and not very 424 00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:41,360 reputable papers and the terminology and 425 00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:43,440 the language used is always 426 00:15:48,069 --> 00:15:46,160 difficult and derogatory it can be and 427 00:15:50,230 --> 00:15:48,079 dan i've made no secret that you know 428 00:15:51,829 --> 00:15:50,240 you helped change the language in one of 429 00:15:53,670 --> 00:15:51,839 those articles that went out recently 430 00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:53,680 through a journalist we were speaking to 431 00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:56,480 because again i i wasn't massively keen 432 00:15:59,350 --> 00:15:57,360 on 433 00:16:01,749 --> 00:15:59,360 language like alien hunters and alien 434 00:16:03,590 --> 00:16:01,759 enthusiasts and that's not the point 435 00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:03,600 yeah the climate's changed now right and 436 00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:05,839 we don't need to use those those phrases 437 00:16:08,949 --> 00:16:07,680 but um yeah that was great being able to 438 00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:08,959 get that change because it just means 439 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:10,320 that when people see it they don't go 440 00:16:13,509 --> 00:16:11,680 off and say oh did you see the alien 441 00:16:15,590 --> 00:16:13,519 hunter lamp and the stigma doesn't 442 00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:15,600 follow you know it's more of a oh my god 443 00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:17,120 national security issue we need to talk 444 00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:18,160 about this 445 00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:20,720 yeah and this article done that in 446 00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:22,880 spades that it was serious it was 447 00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:26,160 hard-hitting it was it was a huge story 448 00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:28,000 essentially you can you know the 449 00:16:31,189 --> 00:16:29,440 headline has glowing orders and black 450 00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:31,199 money the pentagon's mysterious ufo 451 00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:33,600 program but essentially the pentagon had 452 00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:35,279 always denied having any interest in 453 00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:37,680 ufos and what we found out is 454 00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:39,600 it did have an interest it had a funded 455 00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:41,279 interest there was millions of dollars 456 00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:43,839 involved there were senators involved 457 00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:46,320 high-ranking senators and congressmen 458 00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:48,000 and 459 00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:50,720 yeah harry reid was the name i believe 460 00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:52,399 when you actually searched the article 461 00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:53,839 the hyperlink that comes up at the top 462 00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:55,920 includes harry reid's name and obviously 463 00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:57,759 passed away a few months ago very sadly 464 00:17:01,749 --> 00:17:00,320 but he was a heavyweight in the the 465 00:17:03,509 --> 00:17:01,759 political arena 466 00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:03,519 for many things but especially when it 467 00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:06,079 came to the subject of ufos 468 00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:07,839 something that jumped out to me dan 469 00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:10,000 though and reading this back was that 470 00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:12,640 two other former senators uh were 471 00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:13,600 mentioned 472 00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:16,160 within the the body of the article and 473 00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:18,400 like you say helene cooper for the work 474 00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:20,319 she done doesn't really i suppose get 475 00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:21,360 the same 476 00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:23,120 celebration as ralph and leslie because 477 00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:24,400 she's not put herself out there in the 478 00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:27,679 same way um two other senators were part 479 00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:29,600 of the defense spending committee ted 480 00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:32,400 stevens was an alaska republican senator 481 00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:35,840 and daniel k inouye a hawaiian democrat 482 00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:38,400 um also supported the program along with 483 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:41,039 with senator harry reid unfortunately mr 484 00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:44,160 stevens died in 2010 and mr annoyed died 485 00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:47,360 in 2012. they were huge proponents of 486 00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:49,600 the also the ossat program that was a 487 00:17:54,870 --> 00:17:51,919 predecessor to atip and really helped 488 00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:54,880 get this this off the ground for me 489 00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:57,120 uh as they're somewhat of a forgotten 490 00:18:00,630 --> 00:17:58,799 contribution from from those two 491 00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:00,640 gentlemen who are no longer with us 492 00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:02,480 yeah definitely i i think so you know in 493 00:18:05,909 --> 00:18:03,600 the same way as when we were talking 494 00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:05,919 about playing 182 in 1.5 uh i brought up 495 00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:07,280 scott rayner and he's kind of the 496 00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:09,440 forgotten founding member of blink182 497 00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:10,640 because everyone thinks that travis was 498 00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:12,960 the first drummer but uh yeah you know 499 00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:14,480 they're like uh 500 00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:17,039 ringo i guess you know and unspoken 501 00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:19,679 about um but just as influential uh they 502 00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:21,200 just didn't put themselves out there in 503 00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:23,280 the same way as harry reid did um i 504 00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:25,200 remember when harry reid passed away we 505 00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:27,200 were all a little bit shocked by how the 506 00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:29,440 mainstream media didn't cover his 507 00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:31,919 interest in the uap uh subject whereas 508 00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:34,320 to us that's the biggest thing that he 509 00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:37,280 was about um you know he he helped a lot 510 00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:39,120 of people and he advocated for a lot of 511 00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:41,360 people's rights uh so i can understand 512 00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:43,120 why it you know kind of 513 00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:45,840 outstrip the uap stuff but 514 00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:48,080 i i hope that there's some kind of you 515 00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:49,600 know if there's ever a museum or 516 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,840 something in the smithsonian kind of 517 00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:53,760 charting what happened here that harry 518 00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:55,600 reid is included there 519 00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:57,200 yeah and this is breaking away slightly 520 00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:58,640 from talking about tom delonge 521 00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,600 specifically but this is a a huge direct 522 00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:03,039 impact in what he had put together in 523 00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,559 this article coming out as part of that 524 00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:06,640 so it's probably the best time to put it 525 00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:09,440 in i asked lou elizondo if he would give 526 00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:11,440 us a couple of comments on the the two 527 00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:14,000 aforementioned senators lou has spoken 528 00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:16,480 at length on senator reid over the years 529 00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:18,400 and obviously when he passed as well um 530 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:21,760 but obviously mr stevens and mr annoy i 531 00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:24,640 hope i'm pronouncing that correctly um 532 00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,960 with that forgotten contribution lou er 533 00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:28,799 gave us some comments and he said 534 00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:30,960 senator stevens and senator annoye had 535 00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:32,559 more in common than one might think 536 00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:34,880 despite their political affiliations one 537 00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,400 being republican and the other a 538 00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:38,880 democrat number one both were senators 539 00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:40,559 of two of the most recent states to be 540 00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,679 added to our union alaska and hawaii at 541 00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,679 number two both of those states are the 542 00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:47,440 only two that are not part of the 543 00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,280 continental us 544 00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:51,280 number three both served our country as 545 00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:53,280 military members and our veterans 546 00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,480 annoyed literally losing his arm over it 547 00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:58,320 number four both were friends and had a 548 00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,960 deep interest in the uap topic steven's 549 00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:02,400 actually having his own encounter with a 550 00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,000 foo fighter while being a pilot that's 551 00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:06,000 something harry reid mentions within the 552 00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:08,159 the body of the article and number five 553 00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:10,880 both were sponsors and big supporters of 554 00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:12,880 atip and these were great men and 555 00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:14,799 patriots standing shoulder to shoulder 556 00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:16,720 with harry reid we owe them much 557 00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:19,039 gratitude thank you to louis for sending 558 00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,120 us in that comment harry reid and 559 00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:23,120 talking within the article says ted 560 00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,960 stevens had told him i've been waiting 561 00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:26,880 to do this since i was in the air force 562 00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,720 and that was off the back of flying 563 00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:30,799 transport missions over china during 564 00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:33,840 world war ii um mr stevens himself had 565 00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,080 an encounter with a foo fighter so so 566 00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:38,320 dan yeah two two names that we've we 567 00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,520 find out and that's something we've 568 00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:41,039 heard about and the 569 00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:43,280 tom delong himself talks about all these 570 00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:45,440 anonymous sources and people he spoke to 571 00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,600 that he can't or won't name i wonder if 572 00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:49,200 those were ever part of those 573 00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,159 conversations potentially um but also 574 00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:54,000 when people like louis zondo mentions 575 00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,840 there are heroes working in the 576 00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:58,000 background that we we don't find out 577 00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:59,840 about their involvement and he hopes we 578 00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,679 do one day there's two gentlemen that 579 00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,080 never got the thanks that well they were 580 00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,080 well they were here in our physical form 581 00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,400 shall we say um but hopefully they have 582 00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:10,000 that wherever they are now and that 583 00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:12,159 acknowledgement um which is which is 584 00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,520 awesome they were such an amazing part 585 00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:15,360 of this early on to help get it off the 586 00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,400 ground because 587 00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,480 without that support without helping 588 00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,799 senator harry reid and others we might 589 00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,640 never got to this point 590 00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:24,880 yeah i would agree with that uh worth 591 00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,960 mentioning here as well is that 592 00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:29,039 those programs in this article did not 593 00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,000 come from ttsa these were separate 594 00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:34,000 sources it's thought that it might be 595 00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,280 you know christopher mellon who passed 596 00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:37,280 the videos to the new york times but it 597 00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,000 blindsided ttsa that that happened they 598 00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,000 had the videos they had on their website 599 00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,799 in the in the vault data space uh which 600 00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,559 is just kind of web pages with some 601 00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:48,480 information on the videos uh but yeah 602 00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:51,039 this this was a kind of a two-pronged 603 00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,640 attack so to speak whether they were 604 00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,360 coordinated uh we can't say but uh it 605 00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,960 sure was good timing 606 00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,720 it certainly was the article itself the 607 00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,360 link will be back in the description if 608 00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:03,840 you want to check that out then we're 609 00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,080 going to play a couple of minutes now of 610 00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,240 a video that was around for the launch 611 00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,320 of two of the stars it's got tom delong 612 00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:12,320 talking over it the plans the future and 613 00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,840 everything it entails so we're going to 614 00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:15,440 play that now and we'll be right back to 615 00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,039 discuss it 616 00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,760 dan that package in that video reminds 617 00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:21,679 me of you know when you see a movie and 618 00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:27,669 future you know 619 00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:30,000 off-world hotel and how everything's 620 00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,679 wonderful and great in that kind of 621 00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:34,000 wall-e type environment yeah it's almost 622 00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,520 like one of those adverts you would see 623 00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,799 played within 624 00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,400 uh a movie like that and then they go 625 00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:40,080 back to the couple and say well what do 626 00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,760 you think is that isn't this amazing do 627 00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,039 you want to invest do you want to get 628 00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:45,280 involved that's the way it comes across 629 00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:47,679 it's a nicely put together package 630 00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,950 when when i was just watching it back 631 00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,320 i've seen that a whole bunch of times i 632 00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,640 remember when it came out um 633 00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,159 and you're right it kind of it strikes 634 00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,240 as an infomercial you know everything's 635 00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,559 happy at ttsa invest and you can be like 636 00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:05,120 us um but actually 637 00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:06,559 looking at the mission statement and 638 00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:09,039 what was accomplished 639 00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,559 there's an argument to be made that they 640 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:12,640 nailed it you know not everything was 641 00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:14,960 successful but where tom says 642 00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:17,120 that their goal is to educate the world 643 00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:18,240 i mean 644 00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:19,440 they did that 645 00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:23,039 on on the 23rd of april 2019 politico 646 00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,799 reported that the navy had drafted you 647 00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:27,360 new uap reporting guidelines 648 00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,400 so 649 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:30,000 even though the stigma's not completely 650 00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,120 gone 651 00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,600 you can definitely say that tom and ttsa 652 00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,520 and everybody there like lou and chris 653 00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,600 contributed to new structures being in 654 00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:39,200 place or being put in place in 655 00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:40,960 government to address this issue on a 656 00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,600 long term basis 657 00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:44,799 the 658 00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,279 aerospace science and entertainment 659 00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,679 is it fair to say that in hindsight and 660 00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:54,960 we're going to obviously go into this in 661 00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:57,360 the future future episodes 662 00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,080 entertainment is largely what has has 663 00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:02,480 been the the legacy of to the stars 664 00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,279 academy as much as 665 00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:07,360 what goes on to happen we we can talk 666 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:08,720 about the gila brand amendment down the 667 00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:10,000 line we can talk about like you say 668 00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:11,919 politico's reporting the way it's been 669 00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,320 reported on cnn fox you know all those 670 00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:16,240 all those shows that we talk about and i 671 00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:17,919 know i miss out a lot but in the uk you 672 00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,720 know we know cnn and fox are our big u.s 673 00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,880 networks i don't need the emails i'll 674 00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,559 get off a few people about oh i don't 675 00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,960 watch fox because on cnn yep i know i 676 00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,480 get the political divide it's the same 677 00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:30,960 in the uk but they're both reported on 678 00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,919 ufos that's that's what happened um 679 00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,360 so for me 680 00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,080 there was a lot more entertainment as we 681 00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,840 come to know let's not get it too much 682 00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:41,120 just now because 683 00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:42,880 we're talking about the time but that 684 00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,919 was the focus and i suppose for you dan 685 00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,760 would you be like me where you see them 686 00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,039 talking about 687 00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:51,120 anti-gravity propulsion building a new 688 00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,720 generation propulsion system in our 689 00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,799 aerospace division and that really 690 00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:56,880 catches your eye doesn't it 691 00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,559 you know for me that that was the 692 00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,000 the hard to swallow bit of the 693 00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,720 presentation um everything else is an 694 00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,440 achievable goal but to set up an 695 00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:08,799 organization 696 00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:11,679 and expect to be able to to make an 697 00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,799 anti-gravity i mean there was the chance 698 00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,240 they had a secret that you could do this 699 00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,200 a lot more cheaply than other companies 700 00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,919 but this this industry is billions and 701 00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,440 billions of dollars you know asking 702 00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,120 asking people for money on the internet 703 00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:26,960 and selling stocks that way is not going 704 00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,440 to get you that capital so while that 705 00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,760 was a pie in the sky idea and i admire 706 00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,679 that you know aim for the stars type 707 00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:36,000 type way of operating 708 00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,760 i i think that was more of a seed they 709 00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,120 were putting out there to say hey look 710 00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:41,440 with what we currently know this should 711 00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:43,760 be a real possibility that somebody can 712 00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,720 go make this um and and i i think that 713 00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,480 seed blossomed and there are all sorts 714 00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,159 of people you know the the whole war 715 00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,640 bubble was singing in the news uh a 716 00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,799 couple of weeks back or months back 717 00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:57,039 my sense of time is gone since covid but 718 00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:57,919 um 719 00:26:01,190 --> 00:26:00,480 but yeah this is the 720 00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:01,200 just 721 00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,080 is helping bring about these ideas or 722 00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,960 the exploration of these ideas so going 723 00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:10,640 back to the time and we're we're both 724 00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,919 guilty of trying to jump forward it's 725 00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:13,679 too easy here isn't it to start 726 00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:15,919 hiding what happened and we will get to 727 00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,799 that but at that time is that 728 00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,039 looking at that team is it tom that is 729 00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,440 driving that direction of let's go and 730 00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,840 build a new generation of propulsion 731 00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,760 because you would think that that could 732 00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,520 be an idea but like you say surely if 733 00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:30,880 that wasn't something that was possible 734 00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,520 or achievable the other people jim said 735 00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,600 van gaal put off and steve justice chris 736 00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,440 male and luilazondo are going to turn 737 00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,200 around to tom and say 738 00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,279 yeah that's great but we're not going to 739 00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,200 be able to do that so let's let's shelf 740 00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,360 that just now but it made it into this 741 00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:47,520 package or is that a case of 742 00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,840 tom as it says as the founder and the 743 00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,400 director 744 00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,480 and he wanted that in there what what do 745 00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,120 you lean towards what would you think 746 00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,799 well when i look at steve justice i 747 00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,480 wonder why someone like him would be a 748 00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,240 part of something like this and outside 749 00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:03,760 of just having an interest in the uap 750 00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:07,520 issue i wonder if the the legitimacy of 751 00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,640 the science stuff where they were 752 00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,080 gathering these materials and trying to 753 00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,159 get them studied and looked at 754 00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,000 must have been so compelling that it 755 00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,400 made someone in lockheed think okay 756 00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,480 maybe if we have a guy in here he can 757 00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,960 kind of help us understand this 758 00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:23,200 technology um who knows if they were 759 00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,559 hoping to understand it in a way that 760 00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,320 they haven't been able to since the 40s 761 00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,240 or something but uh but you know 762 00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:30,720 certainly there's there's a benefit 763 00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:33,200 kickback for lockheed if what tcsa are 764 00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,799 pitching and what time are pigeon is 765 00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,640 true they're kind of the first company 766 00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:38,960 to get an anti-grav vehicle out of it um 767 00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:41,200 not likely but i do wonder what steve 768 00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,640 justice picked up while he was at the 769 00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,720 company in terms of ideas about wave 770 00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,880 guides or things like that 771 00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:49,120 so not only this aerospace division was 772 00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,960 going to build a new generation of 773 00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:53,120 propulsion anti-gravity as tom says 774 00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:54,240 there was going to be 775 00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,520 a whole production side they've got 776 00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,960 their media wing they had the port 777 00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:58,399 anderson series there was going to be 778 00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:01,039 books as we know the secret machines 779 00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,480 god's man in war series um you also had 780 00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:06,720 a reality series that was in production 781 00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,080 but which soon obviously became 782 00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,679 unidentified which we'll talk about in 783 00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,000 two seasons down the line in part three 784 00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:13,600 we'll talk about those 785 00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,799 and 786 00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,720 building the world's first ai database 787 00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,960 to examine materials and such i think 788 00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:20,720 one of the first things i heard about 789 00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,760 that or remember was tom on an interview 790 00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:25,919 talking about how they were going to use 791 00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:28,640 ai to examine religious texts from all 792 00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,279 around the world to look for patterns 793 00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:33,360 and put together what things they maybe 794 00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,399 have missed 795 00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:36,720 that might be more obvious to like an ai 796 00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,360 system in terms of right 797 00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,799 uh i got into trouble for this one's 798 00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,640 from a listener talking about ai saying 799 00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,159 that ai still has to be programmed to 800 00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:45,760 look for it so we have to know what 801 00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,399 we're looking for for the ai to find it 802 00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,080 well what we have a more kind of pattern 803 00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,480 recognition things that are so complex 804 00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,559 that they look like an intelligence to 805 00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,399 us it's not what we'd refer to as a 806 00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,799 general ai which would just be 807 00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,559 you know a brain in a computer with 808 00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:02,000 consciousness that you could converse 809 00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:02,799 with 810 00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,000 yeah it's like you could build a an ai 811 00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:08,720 machine to solve crosswords instantly 812 00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,840 but you still have to upload the 813 00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,679 dictionary and the thesaurus to them to 814 00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,039 have all the words and the definitions 815 00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,799 and the meanings and the spelling and 816 00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:16,960 everything for it to be there um but 817 00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:19,840 yeah so talk a little bit dan on the 818 00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,960 adam project and the vault because those 819 00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:25,120 were things that were around the 820 00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,799 beginnings of tourist stars academy as 821 00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:29,039 well in those early months 822 00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,240 so the atom project was about collecting 823 00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:33,840 and exploiting 824 00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,880 uh materials and material properties of 825 00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:39,279 stuff that's dropped off uap or you know 826 00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,880 may have been shot off or collected in 827 00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,159 people's gardens that dropped out of 828 00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,159 balls of light and things like that 829 00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,480 uh that would have later become i guess 830 00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:48,240 led into the the corrado with the us 831 00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:51,200 army um but then besides that we also 832 00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,679 had the vault and the vault app uh which 833 00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,440 were two different things uh they they 834 00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:57,840 pitched the idea of having just a data 835 00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,399 storage um where you could kind of 836 00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:02,640 submit your footage to like like a mufon 837 00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:05,840 reporting thing i guess uh and 838 00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:08,240 that would be filtered by a neural net 839 00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,760 that would take out things like balloons 840 00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,360 and it would recognize those patterns 841 00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:13,120 because they're things you can feed into 842 00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:15,039 it you know um 843 00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:16,559 and so you'd end up with this nice neat 844 00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,360 vault of genuine ufo sightings i i 845 00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,559 imagine that this is kind of what 846 00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,960 what column and george are talking about 847 00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,720 when they talk about what the osap 848 00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,559 database could have been if they carried 849 00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:30,080 on and they actually applied filtering 850 00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:31,679 and made it a public thing 851 00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,640 but then 852 00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,559 there was a an aspect of it that people 853 00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,320 were excited about and it's never really 854 00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,120 come out um ttsa bought a an app from a 855 00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:41,120 company and the idea with this app was 856 00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:42,480 that if say you and i were down the 857 00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,600 street from each other and we built 858 00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,760 solar light in the sky i could take my 859 00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,520 phone out and start recording it would 860 00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,440 alert you that someone in the area had 861 00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:51,600 taken their phone out to start recording 862 00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,120 you could go outside and record your own 863 00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:55,120 video and then get triangulation data 864 00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,720 and things like that from it that would 865 00:31:02,549 --> 00:30:59,120 have been really interesting but so far 866 00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,559 it's failing to materialize um there's a 867 00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,880 big benefit in having something like 868 00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,200 that i i marked up a little thing that 869 00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,640 kind of just tells me what planes are 870 00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,480 overhead and things like that and i 871 00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,760 imagine 872 00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:13,360 ttsa's app would have been something 873 00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,399 like that it would have told you you 874 00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,919 know nope that's a satellite nope that's 875 00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,120 a plane you know 876 00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,120 dan one of the big highlights for me of 877 00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,200 those early days of to the stars was the 878 00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:23,679 the release of the three videos online i 879 00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,000 remember going on their their website on 880 00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,159 the youtube channel and sharing it i 881 00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,679 think one of my mates shared them with 882 00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,399 me initially jamie who still messages me 883 00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,480 he sent me the guardian article today 884 00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,320 and he's interested in the subject he's 885 00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,640 a blink fan and um i remember him 886 00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:40,240 sending me those early on and being like 887 00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:41,519 what do you think of this like look at 888 00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,559 these videos and we had the go fast the 889 00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,039 flare and the gimbal 890 00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:49,440 obviously they go fast is the object 891 00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,200 skimming just above the water flying at 892 00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,760 speed and it's still whoa got it 893 00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,440 you know what is that thing and i think 894 00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,880 we all have that probably burned into 895 00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,039 our heads the audio of the pilots 896 00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,279 we have the flare video which seems to 897 00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,279 have a a lock on what looks like a 898 00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,960 stationary target and it moves a little 899 00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:07,039 bit and then 900 00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:08,399 comes out of 901 00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,600 there's obviously all sorts of 902 00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,000 discussions around does it fly away does 903 00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,240 it lose the lock all that kind of stuff 904 00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,399 and this one we should note while we're 905 00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:18,640 here just that this was 906 00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:21,440 around i want to say 507 around there 907 00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,399 2005 2007. um this was actually leaked 908 00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,880 onto the internet it was kept on a yes 909 00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,120 server in germany um and there were a 910 00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,120 few posts on the mata bunk website um 911 00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:33,600 and above top secret i think it was um 912 00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:36,480 of stories which are very reminiscent of 913 00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,600 experiences later shared by kevin day so 914 00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:41,519 this video has been out there for a long 915 00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,399 while 916 00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,480 um and even dave fraver recounts you 917 00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,480 know being asked about it uh 918 00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,080 and and then when it came out the person 919 00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:49,760 recognized it from dave's story around 920 00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,559 the dinner table um so so yeah this one 921 00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,159 was around for a while 922 00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,399 and that's why things don't leak it did 923 00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,880 yeah i spoke to macmillan about that 924 00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,240 whole thing of 925 00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,000 online with all the videos we see and 926 00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,120 we'll poo poo stuff or cgi or no that's 927 00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,200 faked or no that doesn't look real 928 00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,960 there's going to be at least one that's 929 00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,720 that's real it's legit and there you go 930 00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,279 there's an example of way before 931 00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,919 the internet was even big you know as it 932 00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,919 is now for that that sort of stuff there 933 00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,159 was this official video floating about 934 00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,240 and no one really realized at the time 935 00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:23,760 so yeah um 936 00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:24,640 the 937 00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:35,440 objects flying information as we now 938 00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,840 know off of that that object that's 939 00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,760 where we've got the cubes and spheres 940 00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,679 spheres and cubes cubes yeah cubes 941 00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,440 inside of spheres always get those mixed 942 00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:46,240 up and yeah the object seems to slow and 943 00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:47,279 rotate 944 00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,480 and 945 00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,399 yeah without that famous audio those 946 00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,399 really really stood out to me and i 947 00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,840 think even now 948 00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,000 when when i was in working in the office 949 00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,919 and people would ask about you know the 950 00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,240 podcast and even before the podcast i 951 00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,080 would show them those videos and i think 952 00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,640 they'll still have a really 953 00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,240 interesting impact on people when they 954 00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,480 see them for the first time um what 955 00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,919 about what's your memory stand of seeing 956 00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,240 those three videos it surprises me how 957 00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:14,399 many people still haven't seen them you 958 00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,760 know like 959 00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,520 the subject is the biggest it's ever 960 00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,679 been arguably uh you know thanks to the 961 00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:21,679 internet um and the work of 962 00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,960 organizations like tcsa 963 00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,639 but i remember 964 00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,480 when i i must have watched them about 50 965 00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,320 times you know probably more over the 966 00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,320 years and then you dig into the story of 967 00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,359 what's behind them and even up until now 968 00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,399 uh you know at the aia conference this 969 00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,639 year ryan graves shared more details 970 00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,720 about that gimbal experience and yeah 971 00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:44,879 and explained how there was kind of a 972 00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:47,440 delta shape of of a number of aircrafts 973 00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,000 in a delta shape that kind of smoothly 974 00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,399 followed the gimbal and that the gimbal 975 00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,720 was kind of very jerky and moving around 976 00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,639 uh in a fashion that just 977 00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:58,640 things that we make don't don't seem to 978 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:00,839 move like that 979 00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,560 um it's amazing to think that 980 00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,079 that video being released and talked 981 00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,000 about properly by these individuals on 982 00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,480 stage at the you know the ttsa launch 983 00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,720 and in the article it's amazing to think 984 00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:14,240 that those things 985 00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,160 have and i know some people will argue 986 00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,160 with me about saying this but they they 987 00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,520 changed the world 988 00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:21,599 and it wasn't just in america you know 989 00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,359 japan has guidelines 990 00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:25,599 china has a uap task force who are 991 00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,760 applying ai probably in the same sense 992 00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:29,680 as we use it um 993 00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,480 to 994 00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,400 filter in this data 995 00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:34,000 so 996 00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,760 for me it's kind of inarguable that 997 00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:38,000 these guys have changed the world 998 00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,200 and obviously that was going to be my 999 00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,040 final question dan that you have you're 1000 00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,800 very ruined for me and 1001 00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:44,079 you think they changed the world how's 1002 00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:44,880 that 1003 00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:48,000 have me asking you before you see it but 1004 00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,280 it's fine 1005 00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,960 but yeah so i mean like i was going to 1006 00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,040 say tom says at the end of that package 1007 00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,280 you know i want to be part of like a 1008 00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,520 world-changing moment and for my kids 1009 00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,040 and for everyone else and this is the 1010 00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:01,280 time to do it and i think it is fair to 1011 00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,440 say like you see if we look at hindsight 1012 00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:05,680 it did do that and the 1013 00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,079 the reverberations and the the shock 1014 00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:10,400 waves from those those early days in 1015 00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,599 late 2017 into early 2018 1016 00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,520 off the back of what tom delong put 1017 00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:18,079 together and whether the obviously you 1018 00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,599 like to say he wasn't involved directly 1019 00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,280 in the new york times article but a lot 1020 00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:23,040 of that came off the back of what he put 1021 00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:26,240 together in terms of that ttsa group and 1022 00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:27,920 obviously to the stars was around before 1023 00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,320 then as a company but 1024 00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:32,160 yeah you can't say that it didn't change 1025 00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,480 the world in some way shape or form here 1026 00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:36,720 we are five years later 1027 00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,440 do we have the definite proof of alien 1028 00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,400 life or whatever else that may be no 1029 00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,839 but as we're going to get to and as 1030 00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,040 we've just discussed on recent 1031 00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:47,359 breakdowns and shows you've got chris 1032 00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:50,960 mellon out there now openly on the news 1033 00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,000 on live interviews on podcasts and major 1034 00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,880 articles talking about yeah there's a 1035 00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,760 really good chance this is 1036 00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,680 extraterrestrial life you've also got 1037 00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,760 luis elizondo from those early days out 1038 00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,599 there talking about you know what this 1039 00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,280 could be something extraterrestrial 1040 00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:07,440 interdimensional you know crypto 1041 00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:10,480 terrestrial talking about altered dna 1042 00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,280 so 1043 00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,280 at that moment we probably didn't 1044 00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,960 realize it but yeah it was a 1045 00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,480 world-changing moment that we can look 1046 00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,079 back on and go 1047 00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,480 wow yeah fair enough 1048 00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,880 what then came off the back of that 1049 00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:24,800 we're going to discuss in part three 1050 00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:27,040 then which is going to look at the 1051 00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,720 reality series being set up and 1052 00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,040 identified we will not be reviewing but 1053 00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:33,680 we'll touch on those some early books 1054 00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,640 that came out around to the stars 1055 00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,640 and we'll look at maybe dip into some of 1056 00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:40,880 the port anderson stuff 1057 00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,040 the reasons and the thoughts behind that 1058 00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,599 i'll wear my to the stars academy hoodie 1059 00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,760 should we give people homework the the 1060 00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:49,920 poet anderson show it is actually on 1061 00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,920 youtube it's free to watch um the 1062 00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,520 story's a little out there but if you 1063 00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,440 watch it with 1064 00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,359 tom's ideas about consciousness and 1065 00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,800 dreams in mind 1066 00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,720 there are some really cool ideas there 1067 00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,480 so so i'd recommend everyone go watch 1068 00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:04,160 that and then when we talk about poet 1069 00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,599 anderson you'll kind of know what we're 1070 00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,760 on about i think it's only fair dan that 1071 00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,680 you put the link in the description now 1072 00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,440 so yeah i'll put it in the final 1073 00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,800 description edit but yeah if you put 1074 00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,640 that in there for me that would be very 1075 00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,280 much appreciated folks that is the end 1076 00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:20,000 of this uh show we'll get into part 1077 00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:21,920 three when dan is back from colombia 1078 00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,560 this is our official last recording and 1079 00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:26,400 before dan heads off but like we said we 1080 00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,760 do plan on recording while he's out 1081 00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:30,000 there but you'll have heard that already 1082 00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:31,760 because this show will be likely going 1083 00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,359 out once he's back so dan enjoying this 1084 00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,359 dig and honestly for me just looking 1085 00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,440 back over that new york times article 1086 00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,200 and seeing those statements getting low 1087 00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:43,119 to comment on it 1088 00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,400 tom delong 1089 00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,400 at this point has put together a pretty 1090 00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,560 incredible team he claims to have banged 1091 00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,640 down a lot of doors to do that and it 1092 00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:52,160 seems the only way to 1093 00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:53,680 to put this together is to cause a bit 1094 00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,320 of a stir and he's managed to get some 1095 00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:58,960 really serious people involved as well 1096 00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:00,880 um in the next show we're going to look 1097 00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:02,960 at those those couple of years of to the 1098 00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:06,079 stars academy which burned very brightly 1099 00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:07,760 but probably burned very brightly too 1100 00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:10,480 quickly and we get some good stuff off 1101 00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,839 the back of it but we're probably going 1102 00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:13,359 to get some discussion as well around 1103 00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:14,640 like you say 1104 00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:17,760 the the stock um stock issues 1105 00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,960 and you know what the money went to 1106 00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,320 we didn't get that anti-gravity 1107 00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,880 spaceship as a spoiler folks 1108 00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:25,680 but 1109 00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:26,480 you know 1110 00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,760 we'll we'll talk about that as and when 1111 00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,040 it comes anything you're looking forward 1112 00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:31,040 to particularly they might have made it 1113 00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,640 tom just uses it for his skateboard 1114 00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:34,079 instead of having wheels and bearings 1115 00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:35,520 anymore 1116 00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:36,800 it's broken just now so he can't come 1117 00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,109 discussing the the kind of the core 1118 00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,119 story is what i'm looking forward to 1119 00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,359 because tom's advisers gave him a story 1120 00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:49,040 um and a lot of people have done a lot 1121 00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,240 of work to kind of pull this story 1122 00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:52,160 together so we'll be able to run through 1123 00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,520 it and kind of add some commentary and 1124 00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,040 maybe uh 1125 00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,960 you know tell people about some events 1126 00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,480 that they might not be familiar with 1127 00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,920 from history 1128 00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,760 and i did find out dan that at the 1129 00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:04,000 tourist star's office in the early days 1130 00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:05,520 there was one rule when entering the 1131 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,109 go on 1132 00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:11,920 take off your pants and jacket 1133 00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,079 that is all for this week's show thank 1134 00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,000 you very much for listening please 1135 00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,079 remember to leave the podcaster review 1136 00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,720 on your chosen platform you can like 1137 00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,040 retweet and subscribe that would all be 1138 00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,960 very much appreciated the shows are 1139 00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,119 being uploaded onto youtube as we speak 1140 00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,640 more and more you can sign up at 1141 00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,119 patreon.com forward slash that ufo 1142 00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,839 podcast to access shows ad free as well 1143 00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,000 please get in touch on twitter facebook 1144 00:40:42,069 --> 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